tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8049100705786633064.post1398790246758910057..comments2024-01-20T02:06:45.388-08:00Comments on The Political Omnivore: The Politics Of: #GamerGateUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8049100705786633064.post-6591469458039488212014-09-11T07:36:51.498-07:002014-09-11T07:36:51.498-07:00Oh, and I’m a Social Justice Techno-Mage. Warriors...Oh, and I’m a Social Justice Techno-Mage. Warriors are so yesterday.<br /><br />[veronica]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8049100705786633064.post-91413812617033164782014-09-11T07:31:33.039-07:002014-09-11T07:31:33.039-07:00By now there is plenty of evidence that #notyoursh...By now there is plenty of evidence that #notyourshield was full of white boys pretending. Were they all? Probably not, but you can’t blame us for being suspicious. Zoe didn’t dox the wiki vandals; she linked to a page where they were doxed. Then she deleted her tweet when she got called on it.<br /><br />She did this while hiding in fear of her life.<br /><br />You don’t believe that, do you? But it is true. Get that into your head and you’ll see this different.<br /><br />(Time for the Atwood quote: “Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them.” This is simplistic, but kinda true, and I think sums up much of what is happening here.)<br /><br />Then you say this: “At least GamerGate isn't attempting to censor discussion with insults, lies, and slander,” which OMG WHAT THE HELL?<br /><br />#gamergate tried to drive a woman to suicide! — which was openly discussed in the IRC chat logs. And no, “it’s a joke,” “cherry picking,” or “a few bad apples” doesn’t fly.<br /><br />Anyway, the people being harassed by the “SJW” crowd are free to provide evidence, but after seeing the IRC chat log how can we believe anything #gamergate or #notyourshield says?<br /><br />And, look, one solid point: you cannot escape the misogyny around all of this. Full stop. Women in geek spaces have been talking about this for a long time, and while the (mostly) men who attack us have learned to try to turn the victim card back at us, the patterns are clear. Women are driven from their homes by angry men who say the same things Eliot Rogers did. The women are afraid.<br /><br />The men who get called “nerds” or “virgins”? Yeah, that sucks. I wish we could all be better people. But the responses are disproportionate.<br /><br />I’m a woman in tech. I see the day-in-day-out of this, young men boiling with rage. And yes they are misogynistic. Don’t like the label? Don’t be the thing.<br /><br />[veronica]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8049100705786633064.post-37015607759957070712014-09-10T20:50:10.483-07:002014-09-10T20:50:10.483-07:00"It's not a game! It was never meant to ..."It's <i>not</i> a game! It was <i> never meant to be a game! </i>"<br /><br /> -- <i> Rollerball </i><br /><br />-- ΩAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8049100705786633064.post-28665200216579704272014-09-10T19:26:48.503-07:002014-09-10T19:26:48.503-07:00continued...
People posting under the #NotYourShi...continued...<br /><br />People posting under the #NotYourShield hashtag, which was created to show that the "SJW" crowd does not immediately speak for all minorities, have been harassed so much that many of them now need to post pictures proving their minority status. Let me state that again: one side of this argument IS FORCING PEOPLE TO PROVIDE PERSONAL INFORMATION OVER THE INTERNET because they just, for some reason, find it astounding that not everyone believes in their side of this story. Because people on one side of the issue will not take a person's statement about being black, gay, transgendered, female, etc. at face value. And the side that requires that proof is not the GamerGate side, I can tell you now. Because the GamerGate side is ACTUALLY about including everyone, and not just the "everyone that happens to believe in our side."<br /><br />And WHY did that hashtag have to arise? It arose because of all the gaming journalists against GamerGate wrote article after article after article blasting the supposedly "all-white, all-male, all-straight audience" for refusing to allow any minorities into the gaming space and being misogynists. Which is an absolutely ludicrous claim given that BY THEIR OWN STUDIES women account for half of the gaming public.<br /><br />At least the side of GamerGate attempts to police their own. They seek out people posting under the hashtag who harass others and tell them to stop. They call out people posting under the hashtag who threaten or insult the opposition. Meanwhile what have I seen from the other side? Nothing but attacks and insults. Cries of "nerd," "misogynist," "idiot," etc. GamerGate followers have been compared to terrorists, wife-beaters, slave-owners, chemical weapon dealers. They've been called sexists, misogynists, and racists. They've been accused of being pedophiles. And not one person from the other side, not ONE person have I EVER seen attempt to call their own out for any of these insults.<br /><br />At least GamerGate admits its faults. At least GamerGate isn't attempting to censor discussion with insults, lies, and slander. So thank you for your utterly biased account of the issue, Veronica. Consider this post a polite rebuttal. It's more than your side has ever seemed to be able to put together.<br /><br />[Chris]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8049100705786633064.post-76186213364028988712014-09-10T19:25:59.727-07:002014-09-10T19:25:59.727-07:00You're being awfully one-sided here, painting ...You're being awfully one-sided here, painting one group as villains and the other as tragic victims. The fact is, the anti-GamerGate crowd is just as guilty, if not MORE so, of those crimes than the ones who post under GamerGate.<br /><br />For instance, The Fine Young Capitalists were DDOS'd based on a beef Zoe had with them over their policy about transgenders. She apparently did not actually read the policy, called them out on Twitter about their extremely liberal policy ("If you identify as a woman, you are a woman," basically), and got her followers to crash their website. And this was a program to get women into game development, DDOS'd by the people supposedly on the side of getting women into game development. It was then funded in large part by the same "misogynists" that you paint as the eponymous victims in your tale. The Fine Young Capitalists, despite their noble goals, STILL, to this day, have not gotten any media attention from the mainstream gaming websites.<br /><br />Let us then consider the case of Wolf Wozniak, founder of the Wolfgame development company. When the issue started he sent out a tweet that he had been sexually assaulted by Zoe at a friend's wedding, and Zoe's side immediately shamed, harassed, and threatened him into deleting his tweet. In any other space that would be called "victim-blaming," but apparently here it's "justice."<br /><br />When some users tried to edit Zoe Quinn's Wikipedia page to offer a less biased view, she doxx'd them. Two of them were doxx'd, in fact, and one was transgendered. Let me point you again to the above statement that one of Zoe Quinn's issues with The Fine Young Capitalists was that they were not fair with their transgender policies. But obviously the BEST policy with transgenders is to put all of their personal information on the internet and call for a witch hunt. Her side has the DEFINITE moral high ground here, I agree.<br /><br />And, lest we forget, there are the MYRIAD of death threats and harassment that has been issued by people on Zoe's side. The hashtag #IStandWithJontron, which originated to show support for popular YouTube personality JonTron after a disagreement he had with people on Twitter, was almost immediately co-opted by people on the side of "social justice" and was soon filled with death threats, insults, and harassment. Milo Yiannopoulos, one of the only writers to give some account of the supporters of GamerGate, was issued death threats for his article on Breitbard. I would normally say that regardless of your stance on any political issue death threats are entirely unwarranted but, no, I agree, let's go ahead and call for his death because he happens to disagree with you. That's a great way to grant your side legitimacy and come off as the heroes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8049100705786633064.post-70225254627155309442014-09-10T08:04:40.716-07:002014-09-10T08:04:40.716-07:00[Veronica here]
I was there for the whole indie-v...[Veronica here]<br /><br />I was there for the whole indie-vs-trad-rpgs (as you and I often hashed out over beer) and *this is different*. I mean, if we take the worst jackasses of that conflict (say the Pundit vs. whoever-on-the-indie-team) and compare them to what Zoe is going through -- it does not compare. There is a level of raw misogyny and nerd-rage here that shapes this in very terrible ways.<br /><br />By the way, I'm one step removed from ZQ, as in I have a few face-to-face friends who are face-to-face friends with her. Some of those friends got caught up in this. And I'm sitting here in an office surrounded by young tech dudes, any one of which could right now be tweeting rape-death-murder threats to some of my friends.<br /><br />And in a post-Elliot-Rogers world you better bet these women are afraid. Zoe is for-reals afraid to go home. Literally. She cannot stay at home.<br /><br />Seems to me grousing about the games media is missing the script.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com