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He also got out-gunned by Marco Rubio in a planned exchange that Rubio was ready for when he tried to hit Rubio on missing votes in the Senate to run his presidential bid.
Rubio got advance notice, too, and came prepared. He reminded everyone of Jeb’s admiration for John McCain’s campaign in 2007 and 2008, when McCain… missed a ton of votes. The counterattack was precise and vicious: Rubio essentially accused Jeb of laying down with the liberal media devil out of desperation. He wasn’t wrong.From one Jeb Supporter:
Bush’s bad night benefited Marco Rubio most. Indeed, Bush donors were quick to complain about what they saw as a bad strategic decision to take on the junior Floridian.
“Marco is a [expletive] Jedi Master,” one distraught Florida donor said. “Hopefully these idiots learn not to [expletive] with him anymore. Not necessary.”The [expletive] is most likely 'fucking' / 'fuck.'
While Trump and Carson vanished somewhat towards the end, they likely did well because in the early part of the debate there was enough mud-slinging that their fans probably caught some of it before switching over to the World Series.
Rubio and Ted Cruz, however, likely won the night. Fiorina didn't have a bad performance--but she probably didn't get the breakout she needs to reverse her recent polling slide.
The Horrible ModeratorsCondemnation was nearly universal from the left and the right with conservative watchers asking why Republicans keep letting leftists moderate their debates. A few possibilities:
- With the exception of Fox, any other channel will have liberal moderators--that's how the MSM rolls.
- The GOPe wants to hammer social conservatives so they're okay with it?
- The GOPe knows that arguing with the liberal media is good for its brand so they secretly set it up.
The Omnivore, though, thinks it's just part bad dynamic and part fuck-up. The Democrats wouldn't let Mark Levin moderate one of their debates. The RNC could do a better job here.
Cruz v. RubioThe establishment choices appear to be Cruz (sorta) vs. Rubio (likely) with, possibly, a side of Chris Christie as he had a good night too. Erick Erickson certainly thinks so. This is the "smart money" solution and as such, it isn't a bad guess. Cruz is stuck in the middle of the pack--but he's planning a break-out. Rubio is on the rise and he seems to have a pretty solid charisma-game. They both have their problems, however:
- Rubio's funding hasn't been great and he hasn't, yet, built a stellar organization. A massive cash infusion after a few wins will help--but that's late in the game to build a robust effort.
- Ted Cruz, on the other hand, is trying to position himself for the Trump/Carson collapse but analysis shows that he doesn't get most of their votes. If Trump drops out, an innovative poll shows that Carson picks of most of the votes. Followed by Rubio. Then Bush. Then No Choice (tied with Cruz).
Trump and Carson
While Trump and Carson's debate won't please the pundits (although Carson fielded a question on why he would shop at Costco--a gay-friendly employer--fairly effortlessly) they likely did what they needed to in order to maintain their lead. Trump wasn't being humble when he said he wasn't much of a debater but for all of Ted Cruz's god-like (allegedly, anyway) debate skills from Harvard, Trump has had the best of it thus far.Verdict: Rubio gains a point, Trump and Carson maintain big leads because that’s just how this shit seems to work— Allahpundit (@allahpundit) October 29, 2015
Trump, for the first time, didn't win the "Talked the most" award--which could be seen as part of his general slide against Carson--but (a) Carson talked even less and (b) in recent polling,
Trump is still, well, pretty dominant:
Trump also finished up with a note that he made the debate shorter than it would have been. That's true, powerful, and well, Trump. It's a good note to close on.